Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. The incident with the P320 - a contender for a major Canadian Armed Forces procurement of thousands of pistols and holsters that has a Aug. 3 deadline for industry proposals - occurred at JTF-2's Dwyer Hill training range just west of Ottawa. Wont last!. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? They suck and Im awesome!, 2. I dont own a Glock or a SIG and am not a fanboy of either. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. The Hide Armory. Was it his fault? On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. Mine is very accurate. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. Sep 20, 2021 613 571 Idaho. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. in Capitalvania. Then when the gun still wouldnt operate right, field stripped it and cleared the debris, but didnt understand the gun enough to realize it was now super broken. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. The P320 pistol is a dog. Again the Far Right Stupidity and hypocrisy is infinite. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. P320 X Compact is it safe CCW | SIG Talk ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. Third, Glock has had problems, too. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. Anyway around here they do. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. TidalWave Professional Aug 25, 2021 #17 Bassbob said: Somehow I seriously doubt the guns just shot themselves. L. LRRifleman . Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. This is the only post fix tale of p320 failure I have heard that is not some form of but it just went off, I didnt do nutthin! Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the. Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. SEPTA officer's handgun spontaneously fired in Philly's Suburban Station So I think it is unconscionable, given the number of incidents of this gun defectively discharging without a trigger pull, would necessitate that someone order it to be recalled and only SIG can do that.. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Then after just three years without telling anyone they stopped all production including extra parts. What a wonderful parody of a MAC cultist! And they would not have done that for no reason at all. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. TTAG talked to Bagnell, who told us that he wants it to be known that he is not anti-gun and doesnt want to see more gun control laws in this country. BAM. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. Sig Sauer P320: The US Army Loves This Gun (But There Is a Problem) I agree. 00:03. Sig Sauer to Settle Lawsuit Over Alleged Safety Glitch in P320 Pistol Really? Thats the American system at work in all its corrupt majesty. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. Good job! The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. The Glock fails on both counts. He was told to shoot two rounds. No, it doesnt. With Biden spending outrageous amounts of money, whats 100 million here or there? I am still waiting for the UPS man (not from the devil but from Sig) I will not hold my breath. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Use a proper holster and follow other gun safety protocols. Theyre just on a 30 year nap hoping what they did will carry them forever. They mandate more discharges, with more property damage, more injuries, and more deaths. I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. LEO handguns get into struggles, they get laid and rolled on, they get smacked into vehicles/doorways, they get dropped, they get drawn and holstered way more often than their civilian counterparts. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. Funny how that works. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong - CBC It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. Misfires and Lawsuits Plague Sig Sauer P320 In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. Special Forces pulls new pistols from service after soldier - CBC You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Look a fanboy. hate to tell you this but most lawnmowers with the handle bar stop get tied down. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. Either the gun is defective or its not. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. About Those SIG P320 Lawsuits - The Truth About Guns Sig Sauer's P320 is widely used by police departments across the country, and is a big seller in the civilian market, with about half a million sold nationwide. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. LOL! The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. PSA-P320 Accidental Discharge Threads | SIG Talk I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. But that's not working in the P320, he said. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Weird how that might happen. Theyve now come to the attention of the legacy media. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. For the moron Neanderthals of the Far Right who will scream its the operators fault and we do not give a shit about marketing more safer designed weapons, if such idiotic polices were followed for other consumer goods today we would not have safety glass, anti-lock breaks, back up safeties, child proof medicine caps and chemical bottles, back up cameras, kick back muzzles on chain saws and the list goes on and on. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. Plastic crap! who sells them? I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire.

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